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 Post subject: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:35 am 
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Why are all the base maps on here 91 or 93 octane? Where is the 98 octane maps, after all that is what our cars were designed for!


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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:13 am 
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Our cars aren't designed for 98 octane. Most of us are in the United States.

Some JDM cars are designed 98 RON which is different.

I believe in the US, we use the average of RON and MON. I think 98 RON is close to either 93 or 94 (R+M)/2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating


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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:14 am 
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zanadar wrote:
Why are all the base maps on here 91 or 93 octane? Where is the 98 octane maps, after all that is what our cars were designed for!


It's like mickeyd2005 said. I'm going to venture a guess that most all of RomRaider.com's active users hail from regions that offer 91-93 octane as "premium".

Feel free to begin developing maps for your local area's fuel. Fellow users may appreciate it :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:48 am 
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i see, good to know!

you poor kids, crappy fuel :)


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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:59 am 
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Location: On the dyno. UK
UK 98 Ron fuel equates to 93 Octane in the US.

Base maps provided by users on here are just that... 'Base' Maps. You need to develop them and tune them to your set up.

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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:04 am 
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is it dangerous to tune without a wideband O2 sensor? Will the stock O2 sensor as read through the ECU not give a good enough accuracy?


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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:48 pm 
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The factory ECU is pre-turbo. The backpressure that builds when you're boosting throws the readings off and it is inaccurate and not useable for tuning beyond 0 psi. I *STRONGLY* recommend buying a wideband if you are interested in tuning your car. An LC-1 is only $200 and this is a BASIC tool you should own. I even recommend an LC-1 and gauge to people who just own modded cars but don't tune. It's a good troubleshooting and safety tool like oil temp, fuel pressure, etc.

92-93 US (RON+MON/2) should be close to 98 (RON) because RON is way higher than MON. US uses the average of the two, which is probably more truthful. EU only uses the "research" number. You can hit up google if you're more curious about this MON and RON stuff.

There are still different emissions standards and gasoline will vary. Even in the US there are seasonal variances.


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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:44 am 
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My WRX (My05) has two O2 Sensors... one in the headers and one after the turbo in the dump pipe... would this still be inaccurate?


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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:45 am 
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oh by the way i am in Australia


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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:48 pm 
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That one further back is a narrow band O2, used mainly for detecting when the cats have gone bad. It won't be accurate either.

Get the wideband. Its cheap and it might just save your motor from you ;) (give you the data to see where you might be going wrong)

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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:41 am 
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you do say it's cheap, but all i really want to do is fix my overboost caused by my TBE...

LC-1 199, Tactrix, 189

So that's over 500 AU$$$


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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:10 pm 
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zanadar wrote:
you do say it's cheap, but all i really want to do is fix my overboost caused by my TBE...


Cheap compared to the damage you can do without it ;)

That sounds exactly like how it started for me. "I just want to fix this issue that was caused by x." Pretty soon there will hardly anything left of the original car.

You know you're going to mess with more than just that, I don't know anyone who can stop at just one :)

That said, you won't need it to fix a boost issue. But its something you should factor into the cost of upgrading your fuel system. Sooner is better than later.

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 Post subject: Re: Why 91 Octane?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:08 am 
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hehe yeah yeah i've heard that before :)

Seriously tho i have other plans for my $$$ other than my car...

So adjusting my wastegate duty cycle and target boost tables won't require me to have a WO2?

Thanks !!


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