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 Post subject: Questions about 16 bit ecus
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:55 pm 
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I am waiting for my tactrix cable to arrive and interested in digging into the roms on my 02 wrx. I am new to the subaru ecu world but I have lots of experience with development on honda/acura ecus and megasquirt, I am comfortable with asm on other risc cpus and have done some development with other hitachi/renesas h8 based ecus(nsx/legend). I have been searching and trying to get up to speed but I still have some general questions before I dig in, here are the big two bothering me right now.

1 What is the risk of bricking the 16bit ecus and can they be un-bricked? I see how to do it for the 32bit ecus but see no mentions either way for 16bit ecus. My comfort level of modifying/testing code will be way lower if there is good risk of me hosing everything up and no way to save it. Is it not doable or just nobody has tried to find a way?

I am not real clear on how the flashing actually works, is there a bootloader or flashing routines in the actual rom(accesible or not) or it more hardware based?

2 I understand that there are tons of different rom revisions and everyone sticks with the original one from their ecu but what is the reason you cannot run other rom revisions assuming the hardware is identical or compatible? If the dealerships or factorys could update it why cant we? Something with immobilizer code that we are trying not to change?

Thanks, I may update this thread if I have more questions along the way.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions about 16 bit ecus
PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:25 am 
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Look here
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=5055

Bootloaders interraction (32 bit ecu)
http://forums.openecu.org/viewtopic.php ... der#p24685


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 Post subject: Re: Questions about 16 bit ecus
PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:00 pm 
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beav wrote:
2 I understand that there are tons of different rom revisions and everyone sticks with the original one from their ecu but what is the reason you cannot run other rom revisions assuming the hardware is identical or compatible? If the dealerships or factorys could update it why cant we? Something with immobilizer code that we are trying not to change?


First of all, welcome aboard!

That assumption is actually the key problem. :) There is some cross-compatibility among ROMs and ECUs, however the cars have different sensor and actuators in different years. Mostly it's emissions control hardware, like the EGT sensors in the up pipe (my LGT had one, newer ones don't), or exhaust air pump (introduced when the up-pipe cat and EGT sensors were discontinued).

As far as I know, nobody has taken the time to build an authoritative list of what hardware changes happened during which years for which models in which markets. Without that sort of investigation, the only safe approach is to start with your own ROM, or factory ROMs that are known to be compatible with your ROM.

When the dealership does a recall to reflash, there's usually a few people who take note of their calibration ID before and after, so there is actually a fairly good understanding of those sorts of compatibility options. For example, that's what led me to switch from A2WC5210N to A2WC522N in my Legacy. The immobilizer didn't care.

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