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ecru
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:04 pm |
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pazi88 wrote: I have noticed that also. You can't read LTV in bench setup  Hi, I'm not sure if my problem is because of "bench setup", but I'm also unable to use LTV. Please find picture below, it shows an issue. I've got MS42 with 7500255 ID number, RomRaider LOG def. file v.334 and ECU def. file v.0.38. Logger works like a charm, but when I try to launch LTV appears the inf. as follow: "Interrupt Logging to read Learning Table Values?" Acceptation makes nothing, denying also. My o2 sensor config is also "0" but I've got WideBand sensor which emulates NarrowBand signal and acts as 1st preCat sensor (I'm not sure if Lambda Integrator should show something?) Could you help me understand, what's wrong with my settings and how to run LTV? I've got strange problem with my fuel/AFR and I need LTV tool to check this issue (I'll describe one in new thread) 
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:54 pm |
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What wideband controller puts out emulated 0-5v narrowband signal?
Otherwise I can't help. Mine works great when ecubis used in car.
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ecru
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:41 pm |
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pazi88 wrote: What wideband controller puts out emulated 0-5v narrowband signal?
Otherwise I can't help. Mine works great when ecubis used in car. OK, AFR data which you can see it's signal from WB Sensor added in External Sensors fold. Is it a problem? Should I change it? What is your ECU version? AD? My is C6
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 6:27 pm |
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ecru wrote: pazi88 wrote: What wideband controller puts out emulated 0-5v narrowband signal?
Otherwise I can't help. Mine works great when ecubis used in car. OK, AFR data which you can see it's signal from WB Sensor added in External Sensors fold. Is it a problem? Should I change it? What is your ECU version? AD? My is C6 No that's not a problem. I mean how you are putting signal to ecu?
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ecru
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:18 pm |
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pazi88 wrote: No that's not a problem. I mean how you are putting signal to ecu?
WideBand controller has few outputs and there is one 0-1V for NB Sensor Emulation. So, I've connected this one to ECU plug X60002 pin no.14.
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:25 pm |
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ecru wrote: pazi88 wrote: No that's not a problem. I mean how you are putting signal to ecu?
WideBand controller has few outputs and there is one 0-1V for NB Sensor Emulation. So, I've connected this one to ECU plug X60002 pin no.14. Which is probably the cause of the problems because ms42 expects 0-5v signal from lambda. Also I guess that there is nothing connected to lambda heating? As said before, if there is not everything connected to the ecu the LTV reading doesn't work. I have not tested which things affect that, but still.
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:09 pm |
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pazi88 wrote: Which is probably the cause of the problems because ms42 expects 0-5v signal from lambda. Also I guess that there is nothing connected to lambda heating? As said before, if there is not everything connected to the ecu the LTV reading doesn't work. I have not tested which things affect that, but still.
Thank you, it's really something new for me. I thought that NB sensor in MS42 can't generate higher voltage than 1,3V (btw is it possible to generate 5V with NarrowBand sensor?), also in definitions - Maximum Pre-Cat Voltage Diagnostic 'scalar' is about 1,28V, Rich Condition Diagnose - 0,53V and Lean - 0,30V. Of course lambda heater is disconnected and DTCs have been turned off. Well, I'll try to go by your suggestions and we'll see. Thank you again
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 12:13 am |
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ecru wrote: pazi88 wrote: I have noticed that also. You can't read LTV in bench setup  Hi, I'm not sure if my problem is because of "bench setup", but I'm also unable to use LTV. Please find picture below, it shows an issue. That is not an issue, it's a question. You are logging parameters of the ECU. Do you wish to stop logging to read the LTV?
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:16 am |
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dschultz wrote: That is not an issue, it's a question. You are logging parameters of the ECU. Do you wish to stop logging to read the LTV? OK, thank you. Of course I noticed that is a question  and of course it's not an issue by itself. But as I wrote in my first post: "...Logger works like a charm, but when I try to launch LTV appears the inf. as follow: "Interrupt Logging to read Learning Table Values?" Acceptation makes nothing, denying also..." I'd like also to ask if anyone could check what are the most important inputs for LTV and which ones are necessary to work. No.1 - lambda sensor, seems to be crucial. I'll also check if lambda heater is also so important. Today I'm going to check Pazi88's suggestions. We'll see.
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:40 am |
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 2:50 pm |
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dschultz wrote: If you think it's a program problem, send the rr_system.log for a LTV read attempt. http://www.romraider.com/RomRaider/HowToDebugOK, thank you. Here is my log file http://sdu.pl/images/MS/rr_system.log - there are few logs, inside. Thank you at advance for check. I also made some tests. So, for sure voltage of MS42 NB sensor is 0-1V (not 0-5V). INPA shows everything above 1.3V as an error. So, it's not an issue. I connected WB signal to bank2 and checked with TestO logger. Both signals: 0-1V emulated from WB controller and 0-5V - look properly. But Lambda Integrator stays unchanged - 0. Maybe important is (as Pazi88 claimed) to connect sensor heater also? I'll check it soon. But in the mean time, could anyone with MS42 C6 version (ID: 7500255), describe his hardware setup (what kind of sensors, how many, just pre-cat, etc.) and tell if LTV tool works for him.
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:18 am |
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There is nothing in that log related to LTV. Please provide a log for the LTV read attempt.
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:59 am |
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dschultz wrote: There is nothing in that log related to LTV. Please provide a log for the LTV read attempt. OK, so what should I do? Let me explain how do I use RR logger. First I deleted old LOG file and launch RR Editor. In Editor I opened actual BIN file and started RR Logger After set definition and protocol (DS2), I changed 'Debugging Level' -> DEBUG (detailed) in Help menu. Next I logged my ride and finally press LTV and then press YES in warning window ("interrupt Logging etc.") and that's all. Nothing happened. Than I pressed LTV again and again press YES in waring window and nothing happened again and again and again .... Changing Debug Level to NORMAL didn't provide any progress. What should I change to gather LTV logging data?
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:30 pm |
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The procedure seems correct but for whatever reason LTV is not started. The first log message reported is "Retrieving vehicle info & A/F values...", that is not present in the log you submitted. The log is not isolated to a single LTV read attempt.
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Post subject: Re: DS2 - datalogging MS42 by serial protocol Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:51 pm |
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dschultz wrote: The procedure seems correct but for whatever reason LTV is not started. The first log message reported is "Retrieving vehicle info & A/F values...", that is not present in the log you submitted. The log is not isolated to a single LTV read attempt. OK, I just finished my test ride. Pazi88, you were absolutely right. I just connected proper resistance as o2 sensor heater substitute and "Lambda Integrator" value appeared on logger list. Great!! Thank you.  But id doesn't solve my LTV problem I've got the latest version of RomRaider 0.5.9 RC 3 Build #769, Windows7 32bit. Logger works really good, so it's not an ECU problem. Here is the latest log file. Just two rides with logging. Every time I stopped car and clicked LTV (appeared window with "Interrupting Logging" info and buttons yes/no) then YES and nothing, even logging didn't stop. There must something with software (not car) maybe improper Java, RR settings or something else? Please help. http://sdu.pl/images/MS/last_rr_system.log
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