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 Post subject: O2 sensor heater output % control?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 7:36 pm 
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Hey all, I've been running a MS41.1 - mildly turboed M52B28 stuffed into a Mazda RX8 for a few years, and I have had a persistent problem with closed loop while cruising on the highway. I have a separate wideband O2 sensor I can watch while driving, and when I'm cruising at 100-120 km/h it will lose closed loop control, add a whole bunch of fuel, and stay that way until I get off the highway or slow way down.

I did a bunch of logging with the wideband, narrowband through the ECU, load, STFT, etc and the only think I could imagine was the O2 sensor was old and would eventually stop responding fast enough while I was cruising. I should note I'm running through the Mazda RX8 transmission, so it revs higher cruising than stock, sitting at a little over 3000 RPM at 100 km/h.

Anyways, I replaced the O2 sensor and it didn't help, if anything it was worse. I started to wonder if the heater driver circuit in the ECU was dead, so I did a logging run with the heater % logged too, and was very surprised by the result! (See attached) The heater output drops a lot while driving, from nearly 100% shortly after startup to 10-20% while cruising, with dips right down to 0 heater output. In fact, heater output seems to be a mirror of engine RPM, so with my higher cruising RPM the O2 sensor is seeing very little heater power.

Since I'm running a turbo and I had very little space for the exhaust in the RX8, I had to mount the O2 sensor at the bottom of the turbo downpipe where it sees a lot of airflow. My hunch at this point is
-The exhaust gas has cooled a bit before reaching the sensor.
-The sensor is in the wind under the car and cools off even more.
-I'm running higher RPM at low loads while cruising, which cuts heater power too low.
-The O2 sensor gets too cold and stops responding.

So. Has anyone experienced anything like this?

Is there any access to O2 heater cutback tables or algorithms? I didn't see it in the definitions file, but maybe someone has figured out how to control it.

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 Post subject: Re: O2 sensor heater output % control?
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 5:47 am 
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Have you tried heat insulation wrap? I had problem to pass emissions test with racing catalytic converter and proper heat insulation helped a lot


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 Post subject: Re: O2 sensor heater output % control?
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:29 pm 
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I'll give that a shot. I already tried moving the sensor location as close to the turbo output as I could for maximum heat, but it wasn't enough.

Ideally we could find the O2 heater control table, but insulation might do in the meantime.

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