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 Post subject: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:18 pm 
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Has anyone discovered in the 32-bit ROMs any control logic for alternator output.

I have confirmed on my car, as well as another identical, the behavior that battery voltage (logged) varies considerably from 12.4V to 14V. Now if I turn on the lights, then output is back up to 14V. Others have experienced this too:-

http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f85/design-fault-smart-voltage-regulator-38052/

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I just talked to the Subaru importers, and they know all about this problem, including having looked for ways of fixing it without modifying the ECU software. They can offer no solution other than driving with the fan or lights on all the time. Apparently it affects all models since 2004, and is due to trying to get the best results from carbon emission tests by keeping the generator off-load.


I guess Subaru trying to keep things efficient as possible.


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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:32 am 
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is idle speed target rpm changing when you enable high electrical load?

I know in the 16b roms there are two distinct idle targets depending on whether that register is toggled


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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:17 pm 
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I haven't checked but will do. Seems to idle the same.

Now the reason I bring this up is because I was occasionally running lean under full throttle. Today I logged battery voltage and it seems that when the voltage is low, despite going full throttle, it stays low :twisted: Thus not providing enough power to the fuel pump etc.. If I turn on the internal fan, voltage stays at 14V and no more lean out.

So for whatever reason the load sensing is not related or triggered by engine load. This is really disapointing. Could be that for a stock setup it works to specification.


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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:38 pm 
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same issue here.

Full hardwire, so MAF scaled at 13.8V, but when ECU drops to 12v I run 0.5AFR leaner. There is a standard SSM parameter called alternator duty, it will be 0 when altenrator engaged (13.8v), 100% when alternator disengaged. WRXs don't have this wire connected, so they 13.8V+ all the time.

Non-elegant solution - unpick the blue wire from alternator plug.

Elegant solution - un-pick the ECU logic. I'm looking at all the refs to alternator duty in the ROM, I've found a couple that sort of make sense, but still looking. Hopefully td-d can weigh in his definition god powers.


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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:01 am 
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aijii wrote:
same issue here.

Full hardwire, so MAF scaled at 13.8V, but when ECU drops to 12v I run 0.5AFR leaner. There is a standard SSM parameter called alternator duty, it will be 0 when altenrator engaged (13.8v), 100% when alternator disengaged. WRXs don't have this wire connected, so they 13.8V+ all the time.

Non-elegant solution - unpick the blue wire from alternator plug.

Elegant solution - un-pick the ECU logic. I'm looking at all the refs to alternator duty in the ROM, I've found a couple that sort of make sense, but still looking. Hopefully td-d can weigh in his definition god powers.


i would also consider tuning injector latency vs voltage values an elegant solution.


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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:08 pm 
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Looks like I found a way to switch this mode off, aijii's test so far proving positive. I agree latencies would help if you were dealing with just idle and light cruise areas - but the leaning being experienced is in high load areas, with high IPWs - where latency is a minor part of the fueling equation, relatively speaking. Certainly not enough to causes 0.5 AFRs difference.

I'm also testing this - similar situation, hardwired pump, was also getting very odd results - one drive perfect fueling, another very lean - seems it was the same issue. Driving with lights on, or defogger (or other significant current draw) results in predictable fueling.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:31 pm 
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td-d wrote:
Looks like I found a way to switch this mode off, aijii's test so far proving positive. I agree latencies would help if you were dealing with just idle and light cruise areas - but the leaning being experienced is in high load areas, with high IPWs - where latency is a minor part of the fueling equation, relatively speaking. Certainly not enough to causes 0.5 AFRs difference.

I'm also testing this - similar situation, hardwired pump, was also getting very odd results - one drive perfect fueling, another very lean - seems it was the same issue. Driving with lights on, or defogger (or other significant current draw) results in predictable fueling.


very interesting!

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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:05 pm 
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I can confirm, this works 100% - my voltage now stays between 13.8v and 14.2v, and my fueling has stabilised markedly - even with significant IAT differences. For big builds with hardwired fuel pumps, and those ecu that have the 'smart' alternator functionality - probably advisable.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:12 pm 
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is that the correct address AZ1G202G = "13C7C"

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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:29 am 
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Yup, that's the address.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:17 pm 
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Is there any hint or clue how to easily find the right address?


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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2020 5:33 pm 
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td-d wrote:
Yup, that's the address.


Can you help me with the address for AZ1J500G please :)

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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:49 pm 
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bumping this

also curious how to disable this annoying function
EDM FXT MY07

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 Post subject: Re: ECU controlling alternator output?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:53 am 
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Anyone know what to change the value to? I took a look in Ghidra for AZ1G202G described above, address 13C7C defaults at 100.0.


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