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 Post subject: SOLVED - E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:42 am 
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Hi, i am currently tuning a M52b20 turbo engine and i am running into some maf issues
i thought i'd use the standard maf with a 2.2Kohm resistor and pazi's Excel sheet to calculate the new maf map. but the engine refuses to run correctly, AFR is Way to lean (in the 20's)

When running on the stock maf map evrything is fine with an afr of 12 on wot. untill the maf maxes out around 4500rpm

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Stock engine
GT28r Turbo
350cc injectors(map rescaled and runs fine with stock maf)
Innovate Wideband Lambda

What could cause this lean afr ? even with much to high values in the injector map i still get a lean afr using the 2.2kohm resistor and the new calculated maf map


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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:48 pm 
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what does your maf voltage do compared too when you use the stock maf scaling?

Also, did you do a read back to see if your changes stuck?


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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:55 pm 
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ET89 wrote:
what does your maf voltage do compared too when you use the stock maf scaling?

Also, did you do a read back to see if your changes stuck?


The voltage isn't really measurable, the engine won't rev over 2000 rpm with the edited maf table and runs bad. it even backfires. i verified that the changes were applied in the ecu


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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:42 pm 
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But you should be able to log both Maf V and mass airflow. And if this
Is according to your maf scaling.

Btw, I Needed to retune when I switch maf+resistor too.
Maybe you just need a retune.


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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:57 pm 
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Not sure what you mean by it isn't 'measurable'.

Log the MAF Voltage... What does it say?...

Also, do you suspect your resistor install? It goes in series, not parallel to ground. I assume you know this but just posting for clarity.

Also, the excellent MAF spreadsheet that I've used is by Murray (ba114). Not sure if Pazi also has one, but I have not confirmed it.

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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:06 am 
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mrf582 wrote:
Not sure what you mean by it isn't 'measurable'.

Log the MAF Voltage... What does it say?...

Also, do you suspect your resistor install? It goes in series, not parallel to ground. I assume you know this but just posting for clarity.

Also, the excellent MAF spreadsheet that I've used is by Murray (ba114). Not sure if Pazi also has one, but I have not confirmed it.


The engine runs really bad, backfires, can't get up to speed/rpm. So i can't really log/measure the voltage. untop of that my laptop battery died yesterday so we could only test stationairy without load or boost.

I soldered the resistor in between the yellow signal wire, Not to ground.

What i did notice that the Stock maf with Stock maf map also did never reached full capacity, should be around 730Kghr, but never got over 500kghr with a max voltage of 4,7V

Could the maf sensor be bad and cause all of this with a resistor in place ?


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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2020 4:07 am 
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Problem solved using another maf

Verstuurd vanaf mijn G8441 met Tapatalk


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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2020 11:52 am 
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Richard wrote:
The engine runs really bad, backfires, can't get up to speed/rpm. So i can't really log/measure the voltage.

If you can connect to the ECU, you can REALLY measure the MAF voltage... Doesn't matter if the engine is running or not...

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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2020 2:56 am 
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mrf582 wrote:
Richard wrote:
The engine runs really bad, backfires, can't get up to speed/rpm. So i can't really log/measure the voltage.

If you can connect to the ECU, you can REALLY measure the MAF voltage... Doesn't matter if the engine is running or not...


i mis understanded you, thought you meant measure/log to see what the maf did while driving the car.. but anyway its solved now by changing out the maf sensor. Car drives without any problems trough the whole rpm range, with an WOT afr around 12/13. and a cruise afr of 15


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 Post subject: Re: SOLVED - E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:23 pm 
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what setup are you using ?
stock CR ? you only mounted the turbo and 350c ?? and the maf mod ??
another thing just for my information i wanna ask you about the fuel consumption for like ?L/100km? ( just to have an d idea )


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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:54 pm 
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Richard wrote:
(...) What i did notice that the Stock maf with Stock maf map also did never reached full capacity, should be around 730Kghr, but never got over 500kghr with a max voltage of 4,7V

Since when B20 MAF is capable of 730kg/h? B28 MAF is linearized up to 725kg/h, while B20 one only up to 518kg/h...


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 Post subject: Re: E36 320i Turbo Maf issues
PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:59 pm 
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Richard wrote:
Problem solved using another maf

Verstuurd vanaf mijn G8441 met Tapatalk

Can you explain how you solve problem


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