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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:16 pm 
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I assume he means zyka_hys_sa. Cycle/segment hysteresis for partial throttle deceleration.

Right. In RR: Deceleration => Fuel-Cut _ Hysteresis Delay Counter. Standard value is 1000 in AD.

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Are you talking about the one in RR named Ignition Retard With Decreasing TPS A/C on / off?

Do you mean about the wrong tables or about the things se above.


The wrong tables


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:38 pm 
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For Ignition under Decleration:
AC off = AC on Table,
AC on = Ac off Table.
(kf_zwb_sa_n__tkw and kf_zwb_sa_kk__n__tkw)

But I think also some values are on wrong places.
Only AD File! In C6 File pazi88 correct it , for RR definition, and told me it works for him there.
Deceleration Fuel Tables are correct.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:21 pm 
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Lambda1 wrote:
For Ignition under Decleration:
AC off = AC on Table,
AC on = Ac off Table.
(kf_zwb_sa_n__tkw and kf_zwb_sa_kk__n__tkw)

But I think also some values are on wrong places.
Only AD File! In C6 File pazi88 correct it , for RR definition, and told me it works for him there.
Deceleration Fuel Tables are correct.


Im going to see if I can swap those two a/c ones around.

What values do you feel may be in the wrong places?
I’d like to get this corrected.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:48 pm 
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You can easy open xm and correct it like with editor or notepad...
But I have no time at moment :/.
Or you work with AC off if you want to change values in AC on.
I had to have a look with values it was. Some days ago send pazi88 some pictures about.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:03 pm 
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Lambda1 wrote:
You can easy open xml, secure as txt and correct it ...
But I have no time at moment :/.
Or you work with AC off if you want to change values in AC on.
I had to have a look with values it was. Some days ago send pazi88 some pictures about.


Ok I did open in text editor and swapped all the ignition retard decel Off with On then I realized that you mentioned in the C6 version that they are correct. So I think I ended up correcting the AD ones but now the C6 ones are swapped lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:42 pm 
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Did you search in spezific AD or "global" MS42 Tables? I think there was split.
Smartphone ... so cant correct them for you at moment :/.

C6 Tables are okay and tested.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:07 pm 
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Lambda1 wrote:
Did you search in spezific AD or "global" MS42 Tables? I think there was split.
Smartphone ... so cant correct them for you know :/.

C6 Tables are okay and tested.


Oh no problem at all, I wouldn't expect it to be done for me. I appreciate you and Enabled for pointing these issues out!

I think I basically searched the "global" ms42. I opened the ecu def xml file in Notepad, searched for "Ignition Retard - Decreasing TPS (A/C On)" and renamed each one it found to "Ignition Retard - Decreasing TPS (A/C Off)". Did the same for the original A/C off entries renaming them to On.

When I get more time with my laptop and without my two year old son all over every dang thing, i'll go through the xml closer and correct it.


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 Post subject: zyka_hys_sa
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:02 am 
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Lambda1 wrote:
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I assume he means zyka_hys_sa. Cycle/segment hysteresis for partial throttle deceleration.

Right. In RR: Deceleration => Fuel-Cut _ Hysteresis Delay Counter. Standard value is 1000 in AD.


I changed zyka_hys_sa to 400 in my file earlier and it seems like it is making a difference. Could someone explain a little on what the Fuel-cut Hysteresis delay counter actually does?
I understand the dictionary definition of hysteresis : the phenomenon in which the value of a physical property lags behind changes in the effect causing it, as for instance when magnetic induction lags behind the magnetizing force.

Am I correct in thinking that a lower value will create less of a "hang" as soon as the clutch is in?

But then again before changing that to 400, the revhang was still there some of the times when clutch was pressed in. With this value changed from 1000 to 400 it seems as if the rpm doesn't hang some of the time, like it was before.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:12 pm 
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This XML "should" be ok. My fixes for the addresses didn't go to the official v0.34 xml for some reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:09 pm 
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pazi88 wrote:
This XML "should" be ok. My fixes for the addresses didn't go to the official v0.34 xml for some reason.


Thanks pazi! Definitely going to add that to my collection.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:04 pm 
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Hi Guys, :)

Sorry for my English. I`m from Poland. :wink:
Have read all posts on this topic and today I tested different settings on my M52TUB20.
I only change value on Develeration maps: Fuel Restore RPM (A/C off), Ignition Retard Decreasing TPS (A/C off), Fuel Cut - Hysteresis Delay Counter, Fuel Cut - Hysteresis Delay Counter ECT + likie Pazi88 says on the first page I change the Min temp for Antijerk to 140 st.C. (normal +30 st. C.) so the Antijerk ignition retard won`t active.

Here is video with 3 different settings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X_lCBX ... e=youtu.be


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:56 am 
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piotrek8113 wrote:
Hi Guys, :)

Sorry for my English. I`m from Poland. :wink:
Have read all posts on this topic and today I tested different settings on my M52TUB20.
I only change value on Develeration maps: Fuel Restore RPM (A/C off), Ignition Retard Decreasing TPS (A/C off), Fuel Cut - Hysteresis Delay Counter, Fuel Cut - Hysteresis Delay Counter ECT + likie Pazi88 says on the first page I change the Min temp for Antijerk to 140 st.C. (normal +30 st. C.) so the Antijerk ignition retard won`t active.

Here is video with 3 different settings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X_lCBX ... e=youtu.be


Did you test drive with each “test” you did? In the video you posted test2 sounds quite crackly which is what you were going for but im wondering how does it sound while actually driving... is your vehicle a manual or automatic?
Just curious but what definition file did you use?


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:38 pm 
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Hi Guys, :)

Sorry for my English. I`m from Poland. :wink:
Have read all posts on this topic and today I tested different settings on my M52TUB20.
I only change value on Develeration maps: Fuel Restore RPM (A/C off), Ignition Retard Decreasing TPS (A/C off), Fuel Cut - Hysteresis Delay Counter, Fuel Cut - Hysteresis Delay Counter ECT + likie Pazi88 says on the first page I change the Min temp for Antijerk to 140 st.C. (normal +30 st. C.) so the Antijerk ignition retard won`t active.

Here is video with 3 different settings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X_lCBX ... e=youtu.be


With Softwareversion?
Did you drive? Rev-Hang?
Can you post your Set-Up?

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Antijerk to 140 st.C. (normal +30 st. C.) so the Antijerk ignition retard won`t active.

Dont know exactly but should be normal at 6°C and for deactivation you should maximum it out ... max value is ~142°C ;).


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:04 pm 
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Stock temp for antijerk activation depends on what engine you got (b20,b25 or b28). And it's enough to raise it beyond normal engine operating temp to disable it.


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 Post subject: Re: Reducing revhang...is it possible?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:15 pm 
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Stock temp for antijerk activation depends on what engine you got (b20,b25 or b28). And it's enough to raise it beyond normal engine operating temp to disable it.

Possible. B25TU and B28TU has 6° like MS43 (depend on capacity).

But want to know which value he use for ECT :).
Im lowered it but have no time to test.

And want to know if he have rev hang at driving. Because thats the important fact.


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