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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:17 am 
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dschultz wrote:
If you can define the Nissan specific implementation details

What information do you need to know? How can I help?


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:36 pm 
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pirelli2006 wrote:
dschultz wrote:
If you can define the Nissan specific implementation details

What information do you need to know? How can I help?

I need to know how Nissan implemented their logging protocol over CAN. Did they just replace the protocol headers and keep the same PID/CID structure? Is there any special session starting and closing sequence? Any security?
A capture of a functional CAN logging session would be helpful.


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:00 am 
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Mode 22 extended OBD service.
The same way as Subaru Mode 22 ( it is not SSM over CAN ).
There is no Mode 23 for direct RAM reading,
Probably there is a "window" for RAM\ROM reading over mode 22 similar to Nissan Consult k-line commands.
Maybe original Nissan equipment use additional protocol besides OBD mode 22.

viewtopic.php?f=65&t=13566

No start\closing is required.


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:02 pm 
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Sasha_A80 wrote:
Mode 22 extended OBD service.
The same way as Subaru Mode 22 ( it is not SSM over CAN ).
There is no Mode 23 for direct RAM reading,
Probably there is a "window" for RAM\ROM reading over mode 22 similar to Nissan Consult k-line commands.
Maybe original Nissan equipment use additional protocol besides OBD mode 22.

viewtopic.php?f=65&t=13566

No start\closing is required.

Thanks.
Then I need a CAN enable ECU to test with. Very hard to write a protocol handler without a test bed. What ECU would you recommend I could get in North America?


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:07 am 
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There are two options for Subaru minded developers:

- use Hitachi MY08-10 Forester\MY08-10 Exiga\MY10 Legacy NA ecu and download compatible NA Nissan ROM. Probably those Hitachi ecu's are not available in North America.
- use MY07-MY12 Denso ecu and download compatible SH7058\SH7058S Nissan Navara \ Pathfinder ROM.

Petrol and diesel ecu have different extended PIDs. Scaling is evident in Denso ROM similar to Subaru.

You may verify Denso ecu "compatibility" by primary bootloader code comparison.
And download the ROM under test in bootmode.

Any MY08+ Nissan ecu provides extended OBD communication. Thus you may simply use any Nissan NA MY08+ for testing.


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:26 am 
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Some logs CAN tx/rx consult to ecu.


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:31 pm 
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dschultz wrote:
I need to know how Nissan implemented their logging protocol over CAN. Did they just replace the protocol headers and keep the same PID/CID structure?

My analysis of ZY70D would indicate that's exactly what they did. The code for the SIDs is identical to CM31C/CF43D. From my inept position, it seems like it would be as simple as swapping the K-line protocol for CAN.


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:48 am 
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I now have in my possession an '09 Altima ECU for CAN logging development.

I haven't seen much feedback on the k-line Logger, it can't be perfect after the first release...


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:59 am 
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Nice to see all these developments taking place. Since I am still not able to connect to my 350z HR using nisprog over k-line I am cheering on the development of the CAN protocol @dschultz! I now have another solution for writing to the ECU but still am looking for logging capabilities. If I can help testing it please let me know.

Friends of mine have been using the k-line logger on one or two cars already without issues (EU CD700 models). Can't say it's a non-perfect release so far :D


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:33 pm 
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Not a Nissan related issue, but when I resort the loggable parameters the hover over descriptions don't change position. So the descriptions only work for the default sort order.


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:06 pm 
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a33b wrote:
Not a Nissan related issue, but when I resort the loggable parameters the hover over descriptions don't change position. So the descriptions only work for the default sort order.

I noted that and fixed it already, thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:05 pm 
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Thank you!

The logger works pretty good, within the confines of K-line. I haven't had very good success resetting a logging session. For example, if my laptop goes to sleep or I close the lid, when I return I can't just re-connect. I have to close the logger entirely and re-open it. The "re-connect" isn't working for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:36 am 
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great logger work for k-line, of course I would like to see can logger support.
i can read ram addr so simple)))


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:16 pm 
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Big thank you for this software!

I've been meaning to try for a couple of months on my jdm v35 skyline am900 ecu and decided to give it a go, and it works great.

I can even log my techedge wbo sensor.

I had an innovate lc-2 + nds2 but the wbo reading was erratic so pulled it out. nds2 does't support non-innovate wbo so I was stuck until now.

Cheers


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 Post subject: Re: Nissan Logger Support
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:08 am 
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There is currently no Nissan CAN support in the Logger. If you can define the Nissan specific implementation details then it can be added in the future.


Great point to start :)

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Mode 22 extended OBD service.
The same way as Subaru Mode 22 ( it is not SSM over CAN ).

this is, what we are waiting for logging the GEN4 E6 Diesels and new petrol Subarus.
Lists for Subaru Diesels PIDs are allready here in the forum.

AND:
at the end, SSM-IV, as well as Nissan or VAG or some chinese cars, Mode 22 is UDS, witch is used by a lot OEM for workshop diognosic.
So if we (you) implementate Mode 22 for logging, we can be open for OBD and OEM specific logging.
We only need to define PIDs in the logger deffintions.

So RR-logger can be traied-open logger, if we know PIDs addresses :)
For ME a gread new staring point for "next-generation" RomRaider Logger..

Only OEM-specific logger deffinitions are a point to think about, because with only one deffinitonfile, the size and infos are too mutch IMO

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