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Hello

I have boxes in the garage that have been waiting for a long time
waiting to find sufficient information and insurance to make this upgrade.
(intake cam and manifold with injector m54b30)

I regularly research on the forum any information useful for the realization of this upgrade since 2 years.
I have more and more information on the settings of the dme (thanks to all of you and to the definition which is growing).

What I think I understood for the cam:

intake camshaft duration must be changed 227.88 / 240
intake camshaft initial position must be modified 120/126

What I think I understood for the injectors:

fuel injector dead time map modify by original map values ​​m54b30
minimum fuel injection time 0.624 / 0.725.

for the manifold:

I think above all it takes a lot of logging and adaptation on the fuel.

I have studied the primary operation of vanos and cams but I still have the question.
what does it mechanically do when modify initial position and duration map

(initial position= the degree between tdc 0 and when camshaft has reached the peak of the lobe 126 degree?
and time duration the degree of physical opening of valve 240 for m54b30?)

In my idea (can be stupid) this does not modify the operation of the vanos, the cam is fixes in the same place and moves +/- 40 degree maybe if it is not adapt can do a reading error between the setpoint map and the measurement of the sensor.

I know that this subject can be boring for you because this modification was made many time but I do not manage to know:

(i speak about basic just to start engine and log, not talking about "tune")

-if I have all the vanos maps for this mod (2 maps)
if I modify only two maps is it a success, a mod that works not correctly another map is missing, a broken down car?
-device for injectors (2 maps)
successful adaptation,map missing,a broken down car?

- for the manifold I am rather confident with patience and trials.



this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thqxkL- ... 1449760231

deals with this subject and the creator talks about a futur video romraider tutorial for adaptations (7months ago)
many happy owners have made this upgrade here or in his comments.

I would just like to avoid keeping the parts in the garage until the petrol dies or disassembling everything only to realize that I missed something in the dme and need to go back.

I did my best to find the informations myself before asking.
I hope that this topic (which can contain a lot of errors) can be a start for a more beginner than me (if it exists)

thank you

Hello

while searching on other forums I found this explanation from a "senior" member.

"Changed just the inlet cam? The exhaust cams are all the same. The inlet is .7mm different if using m54b30 cam. You'll need to change the inlet cam initial position and range (duration) in your file. Once you've done that you can tune vanos correctly and fueling to make the best of ms42, ignition tuning is pretty good from standard. Let me know if you want it doing"

apparently modified it's two Map (duration and initial position) would be enough to start logging and adjust.
i don't know the influence of it's Maps
is it just to prevent a sensor reading error or that mechanically changed the position...

Hi, i also upgraded my 328Ci to B30 Intake Cam, B30 Inlet, B30 Injectors, Headers.
With WB-AFR logging installed i remapped then on the Road. I learned quite a few with this.

Also still waiting for the promised video though...

The Engine runs GREAT now, whole different story. I love it.

Important: Cam Timing and VANOS MUST BE ADJUSTED 100% CORRECT!
Double, triple check!! Use the special Tools!

b30 injectors are quite useless as the standard b28 have enough margin to work with.

The guy of the video is ohnoozz in here.

I agree that its not necessary to use B30 injectors to get it running. I personally changed them because of the much lower mileage in the first place
and i got them with the Inlet anyway. Afaik optimal range for inj is around 80% of max, that would give 230HP max out of B28 injectors, right?

If you really want to know all changes for the B30 cams, you can simply compare M54B25 and M54B30 files, but you need Tuner Pro, as the parameters are not defined in RomRaider definition.

M52TU and non-B30 cams are the same. Tuner Pro definition for MS42 is also more defined and you can simply copy and paste all the maps to it.

Hello

thank you for your response I also use catless and wb afr.
I bought the timing tool I still have to re-read the procedure.
Do you think I have the right information to start a melody?

thank you for your answer yes I heard that they were sufficient but I plan to switch to ethanol in the future and this could be of help.

thank you
I also saw in this topic of tipsb https://romraider.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... &view=next



that it compares m54b30 and m54b22 to find maps (apparently not yet identified on ms42)
I have a pro tuner but I do not master it yet
(the presentation being less simple than romraider)
if you have any tips to get me started i will download m54b25 and its definition.
currently i compare m54b30 and m52tub28 in romraider

hello "moderator" I read the rules several times but I can not understand why the images are deleted could you explain me? please

We do NOT allow screenshots of commercial tuning software to be posted, regardless. We also do NOT allow the posting or discussion of proprietary commercial data regardless of the source.

Ok sorry I did not know that this software was commercial

how can I ask for help on maps which are not identified in romraider?

I only need to give the name for example ip_cam-sp ....
or I need to do tables with exel?

thank you

If those maps are not in a RomRaider definition, then update the definition to make it more complete and share RomRaider map images.

The other option is to discuss your tuning questions on the other software's tuning forum. If the maps are unknown here (or to RomRaider users) then maybe there's little to no knowledge available about them here.

BTW: you can't tune maps without logs as you have no idea what a change does to the engine. I'm not sure how people expect to get tuning help without decent logs. Looking at a static map does not reveal how the engine is performing while using it, and one map does not reveal the how story when various compensations could be applied before a final value is determined.

Then you can share you experience and others can learn for it.

Hello

I installed the last definitions
I used another program because I was advised.

I am not trying to tune my car in my living room.

I know that logs are needed to adjust the vanos,disa or the fuel.
but the car must already be started without dtc to start logging.

https://romraider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=18969

Some people successful and by their experience know for example need to modify x maps concerning for example an initial position,duration,hysteresis cam ref,cam mangement (t_nw_soll_aebg) ect

the help I'm looking for is not to adjust the car but to have the basic information for starting after swap the cam

I replaced the images with text I hope that is respects the rules
with the advice of sda2 I compared m54b25 and m54b30 I found +/- 30 different vanos maps (logic)
I looked for its maps in ms42 and I found 22 maps that I list here.
i need find who give a dtc if it is not the right value.

here no tuning for the moment just modify to the physical value of the new cam to start without error

1 value map

c_cam_dif_ad_max_knk °CRK

*calibration (data changeable with the application system)
_difference-adaptive-maximum-knock control*

c_cam_op_in Intake cam duration. Used for overlap calculations

c_cor_cam_in_ref °CRK initial position in romraider

*calibration-correction-intake cam-reference*

c_cam_sp_in_isapwm_min_lgrd °CRK/seg


*calibration-set point-intake cam-pulse width modulation of idle
speed actuator-minimum-limiting gradient


c_t_ast_ivvt seconde

*calibration-time-after start-infinitly valve timing*

c_t_cam_sp_lgrd ("T_NW_SOLL_AEBG")

*calibration-time-cam-set point-lilimiting gradiant*

map

ip_cam_sp_tco_1_in_fl__n Intake camshaft setpoint during full load.
Cold engine
ip_cam_sp_tco_1_ex_fl__n Exhaust camshaft setpoint during full load.
Cold engine
ip_cam_sp_tco_2_in_fl__n Intake camshaft setpoint during full load.
warm
ip_cam_sp_tco_2_ex_fl__n exhaust camshaft setpoint during full load.
warm


ip_cam_sp_add_ex_ch_2_is_mt__tco

*ms42 found name ip_cam_sp_add_ex_ch_2_is_tco_st*


ip_cam_sp_add_in_ch_2_is_mt__tco

*ms42 found name ip_cam_sp_add_ex_ch_2_is_tco_st*

ip_cam_sp_tco_2_ex_is__n__maf_iv

Exhaust camshaft setpoint during idle.
warm *****ivvt on ms42****

ip_cam_sp_tco_2_ex_pl__n__maf_iv

Exhaust camshaft setpoint during part load.
warm *****ivvt on ms42****

ip_cam_sp_tco_2_in_is__n__maf_iv

Intake camshaft setpoint during idle.
warm *****ivvt on ms42****

ip_cam_sp_tco_2_in_pl__n__maf_iv

Intake camshaft setpoint during part load.
warm *****ivvt on ms42****

ip_fac_cam_sp_ex_is__tco__tco_st

Engine coolant temperature blending factor
for transition from cam_sp_tco1 to cam_sp_tco2 during idle.
Exhaust camshaft

ip_fac_cam_sp_ex_pl__tco__tco_st

Engine coolant temperature blending factor
for transition from cam_sp_tco1 to
cam_sp_tco2 during part an full load
Exhaust camshaft

ip_fac_cam_sp_in_is__tco__tco_st

Engine coolant temperature blending factor for
transition from cam_sp_tco1 to cam_sp_tco2 during idle
intake camshaft

ip_fac_cam_sp_in_pl__tco__tco_st

Engine coolant temperature blending factor for transition
from cam_sp_tco1 to cam_sp_tco2 during part an full load
intake camshaft


ip_fac_ivvt_ch__n__maf_ivvt Weighting factor for ip_cam_sp_add_cat_pl_ex__tco_st

ip_ivvthpwm__tmag__vb

*index table with arbitrary amount of inputs with interpolation
-holding pulse width modulation of infinetly variable valve timing-coil temperature
of magnetic valve IVVT -
battery-voltage*