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 Post subject: Carberry 4.2 Alcohol Injection Setup
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:42 am 
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I am trying to setup Alcohol Injection using Carberry 4.2 but a few tables are confusing me:
    1. Table: Alcohol Injection Enable and Output Select
    What does this table do?? If you check the attachment, does the selected option mean the Alcohol injector will be connected to the wastegate???
    2. Table: Alcohol Injection Switched Output(Pump) Pin Select
    What does this table do?? If you check the attachment, does the selected option mean the Alcohol pump will be connected to TGC Drive pin 1???
    3. Table: Alcohol Injection Switched Output(Pump) Enable
    No idea what this means

The thing is, which wires do I connect the Alcohol injector and also the Alcohol pump??

Pardon me, I am new to tuning.
Your answers will be appreciated


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 Post subject: Re: Carberry 4.2 Alcohol Injection Setup
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:30 pm 
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grafitto wrote:
I am trying to setup Alcohol Injection using Carberry 4.2 but a few tables are confusing me:
    1. Table: Alcohol Injection Enable and Output Select
    What does this table do?? If you check the attachment, does the selected option mean the Alcohol injector will be connected to the wastegate???
    2. Table: Alcohol Injection Switched Output(Pump) Pin Select
    What does this table do?? If you check the attachment, does the selected option mean the Alcohol pump will be connected to TGC Drive pin 1???
    3. Table: Alcohol Injection Switched Output(Pump) Enable
    No idea what this means


I know this isn't What you're gonna wanna hear, but these are all relatively extremely basic and pretty self explanatory tables in the 16 bit ECU Carberry map.
what is done to your car that you feel you need alcohol injection? I have strong feeling that your car is likely not too far off stock, lots of people wanna do everything carberry offers just because it's there but unless you need it like your IAT Temps are through the roof or you're just generally running a pretty high horsepower car, in which case you would have had to get it tuned by a pro tuner and if that's the case I highly suggest you go back to that pro tuner if you want alcohol injection. Point here is you admit yourself you're new to tuning, honestly you have no business messing around with alcohol injection tables you should honestly read all of the material on this site referencing Subaru tuning I'm pretty much fully self taught through this site and a few others that don't exist anymore when it comes to open source tuning.
You need to start with the basics On how to tune a basic non Carberry Standard tune. From there you can work your way up the advanced scale until you are able to know what each and every table and hexadress in your ECU does and how to control it. You're in way above your head if you're a new Tuner and you're going straight for alcohol injection on Carberry.


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 Post subject: Re: Carberry 4.2 Alcohol Injection Setup
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 4:30 pm 
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Thanks for your reply, In my question, I admit that I am new to tuning, however, I would have appreciated if you answered my question. I may not have convinced you that I am good enough to tune alcohol injection, but maybe someone else might benefit from the answer in future.


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 Post subject: Re: Carberry 4.2 Alcohol Injection Setup
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:03 pm 
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Consider the logic and operations at play here.
Alcohol Injection Enable and Output selection gives you two pwm capable outputs for the injecting the alcohol. Importantly, it only gives you pwm outputs that arent essential for making the car run. Fuel pumps are often hardwired at a certain pump size anyways, and you can easily use a manual boost controller.

Alcohol Injection Switched Output(Pump) Pin Select allows you to select a switching output, so it just goes from high to low, or low to high. Hence the invert option. Again, it gives you options to take over the circuit of a non essential function, TGVs. This switched output is appropriate for a small pump and simply allows for basic control of one.

If you look at Alcohol Injection Minimum Output(pump) Activation Duty It present you with a table that allows you to set when the pump turns on and off, based on duty cycle of the actual alcohol injector, which is defined in Alcohol Injection Duty Cycle. If you take a look at some more of the maps in the section, you can see that by default, the injection system wont become active until the engine reaches 1g/rev of load. The pump wont be switched on until the more than 10% dc is demanded of the injector. The injector wont be enabled until more than 15% dc is demanded.

Alcohol Injection Switched Output(Pump) Enable simply allows you to disable or enable the alcohol injector pump control logic. So in arming sequence I described above the step where the pump was turned on wouldn't be present.

Its microcontroller logic, and working inside the constrains of microcontroller i/o. Like Arduinos n such


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 Post subject: Re: Carberry 4.2 Alcohol Injection Setup
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:43 am 
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Thank you for your response. Will be playing around with the parameters when I get the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Carberry 4.2 Alcohol Injection Setup
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:09 am 
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If you want/need help I am fully using my alcohol injection tables to PWM fast valves that control my methanol flow to each cylinder. I originally used it to PWM my water/meth pump but ended up switching to a much more exact setup rather than waiting on my water/meth pump to prime.


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