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 Post subject: GENERAL- Tuning a turbo to a particular engine
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:48 am 
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*A/F during this pull was 10.8:1. I have changed it to this from 10:1 before

*I've programmed my knock correction values to 10s above 10psi so if I ever see anything less than 10 above 10 psi, I know there must have been knock somewhere.

*The MAF flow peaks around 230-240 and with 28* of timing at ~15psi at 6600rpm. Does that mean I can potentially aim for 230-240 MAF flow at all rpm rangnes for max power? Will I stay within the turbo's accepted efficiency range? Should I increase boost pressure in the lower rpms to higher levels?

Also, how much more can I increase timing and where. Most importantly, what RPM is this ej205 most likely to see peak torque at?

Mods - VF39, modified stock injectors, 255lph fuel pump, bar and plate tmic, full de-cat.

ECUexplorer log.

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Time   Engine Speed (RPM)   
Throttle Opening Angle (%)   
Mass Air Flow (g/s)
Intake Air Temperature (°C)   
Ignition Timing (°BTDC)   Vehicle Speed (KPH)
Knock Correction (°BTDC)
Primary Wastegate Duty Cycle (%)
Air/Fuel Sensor #1 (Lambda)
Engine Load (0200EE) (g)   
Manifold Relative Pressure (Corrected) (PSI)
0   3445   14.9   38.54   40   34   66   0   69.41   0.98   1.75   -0.435
10   3472   28.24   42.41   40   34   66   0   69.41   1   1.75   -0.435
30   3582   100   71.79   40   27   66   6   67.45   1.23   2.41   1.886
230   3611   100   83.57   40   24   67   9   67.45   0.88   2.81   4.353
430   3660   100   98.62   40   21   67   9   67.45   0.82   3.09   6.239
621   3780   100   106.75   40   18   68   9   67.45   0.77   3.44   8.271
991   3852   100   121.96   40   18   68   10   67.45   0.77   3.84   10.592
1191   4067   100   157.22   40   16   71   10   67.45   0.77   4.63   15.38
1382   4204   100   171.09   40   14   71   10   67.45   0.77   4.88   17.267
1572   4335   100   180.72   40   14   75   10   67.45   0.77   5   18.718
1762   4427   100   188.32   40   15   75   10   67.45   0.77   5.03   19.153
2033   4556   100   195.98   40   15   80   10   66.67   0.77   5.06   19.153
2233   4744   100   199.81   39   16   80   10   65.49   0.77   5   18.718
2433   4870   100   200.58   39   17   86   10   65.1   0.77   4.94   18.427
2633   4996   100   205.86   39   18   86   10   65.1   0.77   4.88   18.137
3014   5105   100   206.79   39   18   91   10   65.1   0.77   4.84   17.847
3224   5384   100   215.29   39   20   91   10   65.1   0.77   4.81   17.122
3425   5490   100   219.51   39   20   99   10   65.1   0.77   4.78   16.831
3615   5639   23.14   223.23   39   21   99   10   65.1   0.77   3.66   16.831
3995   5635   0   163.71   39   10   103   0   0   1.07   2.75   -8.416
4196   5486   0   52.76   39   10   103   0   0   1.63   1.16   -9.867
4416   5478   0   40.6   39   12   108   0   0   1.61   0.84   -10.012



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What engine mods do you have?


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Mods added to first post.

What RPM is the ej205 most likely to make peak torque at?


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mrf582 wrote:
Mods added to first post.

What RPM is the ej205 most likely to make peak torque at?


Too many factors. My VF30 setup hit full torque ~4800 . My 20G setup gets full torque by ~3700rpm. Same tuner.

But considering you VF39 isn't too different than the VF30, I would guess between 4300-5000rpm.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:28 pm 
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Tuning a different turbo and IC from a scratch is very difficult. I don't know what you are using as a starting point, but you might want to try the VF34 map on the http://www.osecuroms.org site, as the VF39 is pretty close. IIRC, the VF39 spools a little sooner and has slightly less top end than the VF34.

You can use your MAF signal as a very general gauge on whether you are making more power or not. I wouldn't use it as a target as you are not going to hit your current peak maf throughout the rev range. Just remember, that your airflow will be affected greatly by outside temp and heat soak, so try to do run in the same outside and driving conditions and on the same road.

As far as timing, it can be tough to tune on the road. Generally speaking, your timing will start off high in the lower rpm and gradually drop until you hit peak torque, where it will be its lowest and then start going up again as you increase rpm past that. When you improve the efficiency of your motor, you actually need less timing. There is a point, in increasing timing, where you are actually making no more power and are just getting closer to the knock threshold. Yet the best power is usually made fairly close to your knock threshold, so it can be tough as well as risky balancing act. Of course, on a load-bearing dyno, you could see exactly what increasing timing will do to your power at any load/rpm site.

I would add timing to your ignition correction map first and do it slowly with lots of logging. Personally, I'm waiting until they crack the RAM giving us the ability to view the fine learning corrections, will tell you exactly where the ECU is removing timing due to knock (at a particular load/rpm). Until then, I'm not making major changes to timing as it is the quickest way for your motor to go BOOM, especially if you rush the process. Even same year WRXs with the identical mods, oil, gas mileage everything can end up working best with different levels of timing. That is why you can see big gains with a custom tune on a dyno. So there is no set of rules that says you can add x amount of timing here or there. It is a matter of finding load/rpm sites where you never experience knock, under any conditions, and slowly advancing the timing and monitor knock and seeing if you are making more power there.


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Thanks for the information.

I've got a method to my tuning. I just want to know around what RPM peak torque happens around provided you maintain a certain boost pressure. If you maintain an ej205 at constant boost pressure throughout the rev range, there will be one particular rpm range where it is the MOST volumetrically efficient.

Given equal ambient conditions, what range is the ej205 most efficient in?


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