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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:11 pm 
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LM-1 would be great.... hint, hint.... willing to test even a bug ridden Beta... :D :P :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:29 am 
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^^^ No kidding...

Simple stuff like this is what's keeping RomRaider on the ground. It would take a few hours, max, with a few developers actually working on it. But none of them care about the LM-1, so it doesn't get supported. But they'll waste hours/days/weeks working on SD for a certain set of ECU's since it matters to them :evil:

I'd gladly donate MORE money to get full Innovate/MTS functionality, but the dev's will just continue working on whatever side project suits them, so I don't see a point.

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:42 am 
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I'll pay $50 USD to whoever can cause this event(s) to happen...

A fully working RomRaider RELEASE (not back forums beta) that supports LM-1.

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:46 am 
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Lance Lucas wrote:
Simple stuff like this is what's keeping RomRaider on the ground. It would take a few hours, max, with a few developers actually working on it. But none of them care about the LM-1, so it doesn't get supported. But they'll waste hours/days/weeks working on SD for a certain set of ECU's since it matters to them :evil:

:roll:

There are no java developers currently working on Enginuity/RomRaider. This has nothing to do with hacks like SD or the ECU/logger definitions. Freon (who is developing SD) and I (who develops the ECU/logger defs, learning view, etc.) are NOT java developers. Maybe some new java developers will take up the cause. You have to realize that this project relies on people volunteering their time. The previously active java developers have either quit working on the project or have moved onto other projects. So, this is not a matter of misallocation of resources, just that there's no one to work on it.


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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:27 am 
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^^^ Correct,

Unfortunately this is what happens in the “open source world” you only get programmers that do things to benefit / interest them. Or they keep it to them self and not release it. Some here has the LM-1 working (perhaps beta version) but obviously not giving it out.
Seldom will you get one or few programmers that will do request, no matter how good the concept/feature seems. That is what will always keep project like this way behind “commercial” software. This apply’s to ECU defs, features...etc.
(please let’s not get into argument here about the quality of commercial software or “open source linux base”)
Tho... what Freon and merchgod are doing is great, and I am glad for all of their effort and contribution.
But we need some Java programmers that will “step forward”, and do what is good for all. Unless something like this happens, I see a gloom future for the openECU / Romraider project.

Just my 2 cents

oh, and i will take / try any back hacks for LM-1, so i get to at least try... :D

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
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Sorry for the stupid question but what is LM-1?


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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:54 am 
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LM-1 is a Digital A/F ratio meter... here read up on it :wink:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm1.php

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:41 am 
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Dweeb wrote:
Some here has the LM-1 working (perhaps beta version) but obviously not giving it out.

Who does? Kascade had alpha support in one of the test releases which you can download (see the FAQ for the link). No one is holding anything from the public - enough with the conspiracy theories.

If you want to log your LM-1 in Enginuity, you should be able to wire it into the fuel level sensor output. Do a search - there's a couple of threads which explain what needs to be done.


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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
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Whoa..... i did not intend for this to sounds as a conspiracy. Just an observation.
All I meant to imply was that i hope there will be more development on Romraider from anyone that has the capability. I wish i could help, but i can’t (i am not programmer).

This software has great potential, and can go long way, but only if there is development on it. it has been stagnant for a loooong time. I have tried it, and used it on many occasions, but there are limits to it tho. (as you amy recall, my 01/02 ECU is not suported by default)
But for now, instead of waiting, and hoping for something to happen, i pulled my stock ECU out, got a MOTEC plug 'n play, and can do anything that i want.

i really, really hope that there will be updates to Romraider and the defs that support older/unique/JDM ECU's and have new features. :D

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:35 pm 
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merchgod wrote:
Dweeb wrote:
Some here has the LM-1 working (perhaps beta version) but obviously not giving it out.

Who does? Kascade had alpha support in one of the test releases which you can download (see the FAQ for the link). No one is holding anything from the public - enough with the conspiracy theories.


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sorry, you're right, the LM-1 is not supported in the 785 release. I have since added beta support for it (ie. untested!) but no release has been made with it yet.


O rly?

merchgod wrote:
If you want to log your LM-1 in Enginuity, you should be able to wire it into the fuel level sensor output. Do a search - there's a couple of threads which explain what needs to be done.


"Hey bud, want to pull back your carpet and start cutting your ECU harness? I'd like to log my LM-1!"

:roll:

Tell me you suggested that as a joke.

There are tens/dozens/hundreds of us trying to use the LM-1 as a portable wideband solution. Hacking it into the fuel level sender is great for one car.

The people who have the knowledge to improve it do so for themselves with little care for anyone else's needs. Sad, because there have even been multiple bounties offered for added functionality in RomRaider. Every open source dev wants to talk about "hey man, patience, we all donate our time!" but surprisingly few step up and earn some money when it's offered. Could have been such a cool project, crashing and burning into nothing now. Not even sure why someone wasted their money to buy a new domain name.

Currently saving for an APv2...

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
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Here's a possible logging solution for those who also wish to log the Innovative products.

Innovative's Logworks has support for SSM logging. However, its protocols.xml definitions file only defines some of the standard SSM parameters. What you would do is make a backup copy of the protocols file and then modify the protocols file to add definitions for all the parameters SPECIFIC TO YOUR CALIBRATION ID, based on RomRaider's logger.xml definitions. However, this will work only if Logworks doesn't bother to check the SSM ECU init string for supported SSM parameters. I haven't tried it myself.

I've attached a copy of the Logworks protocols.xml file.


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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:50 pm 
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Lance Lucas wrote:
O rly?

OK, so he had started working on it and hasn't released it yet. That is far cry from this image of a bunch of developers secrectly developing stuff for their own use and not releasing it. :roll:


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"Hey bud, want to pull back your carpet and start cutting your ECU harness? I'd like to log my LM-1!"

:roll:

Tell me you suggested that as a joke.

Its not rocket science.

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The people who have the knowledge to improve it do so for themselves with little care for anyone else's needs.

You can't be serious. It's free dude, with people who have sacrificed many hours of their free time in the past to bring it to you. You act like you are owed something. Did you read anything I wrote? There are no java devs currently working on the Enginuity project.


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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:38 pm 
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merchgod wrote:
Its not rocket science.


Nope, just an utter joke to consider in 2008. Innovate's SDK is openly available. No, I don't code. Yes, I'm openly willing to PAY someone, anyone who can step up and add certain features. Ohh, no, I put my money where my mouth is! I'm a jerk :roll:

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The people who have the knowledge to improve it do so for themselves with little care for anyone else's needs.

You can't be serious. It's free dude, with people who have sacrificed many hours of their free time in the past to bring it to you. You act like you are owed something. Did you read anything I wrote? There are no java devs currently working on the Enginuity project.


I am serious. Yes, I can read -- no java devs = dead project. Tell me something I didn't already know.

I have offered both my time and money to advance the project. If dev's want to be reimbursed, they can work on one of the projects that people have offered to pay to complete. I didn't name a single name, just said that I was frustrated by the sideways tangent development that benefits few. Unfortunately, short of teaching myself how to program java, there is absolutely nothing else I can offer but my testing time and hard-earned money. So I guess I'm stuck.

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
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Come on guys, let’s not get into a pissing match here. It’s not going to accomplish anything, but it will get people ticked at each other, and then nothing will happen for sure.

I know that rel 785 did NOT support LM-1, but is it worth arguing about, no... i just let it go.

That’s why i made the comment about people keeping it to them self. I posted, and PM’ed the person that i would be willing to test it. No response to either. No conspiracy – just a Fully justified comment in my previous post, about people keeping it to my them self, or in a little group.

As for cutting into the wiring harness, i have to agree with Lance Lucas on that. Ya sure it may be ok for one car, but if you plan on tuning different cars – NOT a solution, not even close. Heck try to explain this to a client – I can already see my self saying “Joe, I need to remove your ECU, cut into your wiring harness, need to splice/ cut your wires and ..... what do you thing he is going to say !!! or the look he is going to give you!! You could possibly do that on older car, out of warranty. But 99% of the people with newer cars will tell ya to jump in the lake.

Let’s be more constructive and see if we can get some of the “members” who can program to volunteer to write some Java code to support the LM-1 and other things.

Anybody willing to try and write the code for the LM-1 ?? please.

I still think this "opensource" has the potential to be great, but it needs development. Till then i am sure it is and will always be a “thing to play with” but nothing serious.

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 Post subject: Re: When, LM-1 ready to be integrated
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I apologize if I offended anyone, that was truly not the point. I sincerely thank all for their hard work.

But I'm frustrated. And there is nothing I can do about it besides offer my time (which falls upon deaf ears, just like Dweeb's offers) and my money.

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