Cruise/Non_Cruise Map Switching Tables, Parameters and Logic

throttlehappy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:32 am

MFB wrote:

Tgv is deleted already, but how is it related to map switching?

Im trying to see if I can have it switch earlier and not use so much fuel doing so. Ive got to a point that its pretty much on and off boost with my e85 map but it wasnt "passenger friendly" haha So Im back with stock values again. :-)

Cant beat stock on this but curious to find out if it can. The ramping I left going to cruise as stock but to non cruise less so it gets there faster.

Change Cruise Non AVCS related Timing so it is not same as Normal Cruise Timing. The see what happens when the TGV's are active

throttlehappy · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:28 pm

AZ1G101M
<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_A" category="Misc" address="d4af8" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4ab8" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_A" category="Misc" address="d4b58" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4b18" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_B" category="Misc" address="d4bb8" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4b78" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_B" category="Misc" address="d4c18" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4bd8" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_C" category="Misc" address="d4c78" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4c38" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_C" category="Misc" address="d4cd8" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4c98" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_Accel_Airflow_enable_below" category="Misc" address="d4878" type="1D" level="1" scaling="rawecuvalue"/>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_Accel_Airflow_disable_above" category="Misc" address="d487c" type="1D" level="1" scaling="rawecuvalue"/>

AZ1G900O
<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_A" category="Misc" address="d4b00" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4ac0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_A" category="Misc" address="d4b60" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4b20" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_B" category="Misc" address="d4bc0" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4b80" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_B" category="Misc" address="d4c20" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4be0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_C" category="Misc" address="d4c80" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4c40" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_C" category="Misc" address="d4ce0" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4ca0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

AZ1G900C
<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_A" category="Misc" address="d4b00" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4ac0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_A" category="Misc" address="d4b60" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4b20" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_B" category="Misc" address="d4bc0" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4b80" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_B" category="Misc" address="d4c20" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4be0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_C" category="Misc" address="d4c80" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4c40" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_C" category="Misc" address="d4ce0" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d4ca0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

A2UG001T
<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_A" category="Misc" address="d1710" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d16D0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_A" category="Misc" address="d1770" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d1730" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_B" category="Misc" address="d17D0" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d1790" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_B" category="Misc" address="d1830" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d17F0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Cruise_REq_Torque_Thresh_Max_C" category="Misc" address="d1890" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d1850" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP_Switch_Accel_Switch_REq_Torque_Thresh_Min_C" category="Misc" address="d18F0" type="2D" level="1" scaling="Requested Torque (Map Switch)">
<table name="Engine Speed" address="d18B0" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

MFB wrote:

td-d wrote:

mrf582 wrote:

Let's take bets on how long it takes Cobb to 'borrow' Oren's work and implement it in their own stuff...

I've got to give credit where it's due - these tables and parameters are available in COBB's implementation, and I have no doubt Bill's work.

Yep

Btw, any tips on how to use this and improve on stock values? Ive changed the requested torque values to correspond to my own dbw. Not much written about these elsewhere.

I have been working on it for a few months. Been trickle feeding it out and all the results are positive... even the wife noticed the change. More off boost torque and faster spool with improved fuel economy.

I have the TGV timing tables now tuned seperately as well. I can pull strongly from 1200rpm in 5th with 3 adults and baby + pram in the car.

MFB · **Posted:** Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:17 am

throttlehappy wrote:

MFB wrote:

Tgv is deleted already, but how is it related to map switching?

Im trying to see if I can have it switch earlier and not use so much fuel doing so. Ive got to a point that its pretty much on and off boost with my e85 map but it wasnt "passenger friendly" haha So Im back with stock values again. :-)

Cant beat stock on this but curious to find out if it can. The ramping I left going to cruise as stock but to non cruise less so it gets there faster.

Change Cruise Non AVCS related Timing so it is not same as Normal Cruise Timing. The see what happens when the TGV's are active

TGV delete already

My experience with this was an on and off boost situation that I need to smoothen out ;-)

What settings did you end up with? added ramp up to non cruise?

td-d · **Posted:** Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:29 pm

I've added a Romraider template for these TGV Switching tables onto Github (acknowledgement, I've used the COBB descriptions and table names to keep it simple).

https://raw.github.com/TD-D/SubaruDefs/ ... itbase.xml

ukwrx · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:39 pm **Posts:** 87

Defs for ecu AZ1E400U please.

td-d · **Posted:** Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:18 pm

ukwrx wrote:

Defs for ecu AZ1E400U please.

Code:

TGV_Switching_Delay_Open_to_CloseSecondary_Conditions        D3E10 
TGV_Switching_Delay_Open_to_Close                            D3E12 
TGV_Switching_Coolant_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below       D3E68 
TGV_Switching_Airflow_Thresholds_Close_Below_Open_Above      D3E6C 
TGV_Switching_Map_Ramping_Adder_Close_to_Open__              D3E78 
TGV_Switching_Map_Ramping_Adder_Open_to_Close                D3E7C 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_SSharp_Y_Axis D3EE4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_SSharp        D3F24 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_SSharp_Y_Axis D3F44 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_SSharp        D3F84 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_S_Y_Axis      D3FA4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_S             D3FE4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_S_Y_Axis      D4004 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_S             D4044 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_I_Y_Axis      D4064 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_I             D40A4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_I_Y_Axis      D40C4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_I             D4104 
TGV_Switching_Intake_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below_Y_Axis D4124 
TGV_Switching_Intake_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below        D4150 

Lance Lucas · **Joined:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:10 pm **Posts:** 367

td-d wrote:

I've added a Romraider template for these TGV Switching tables onto Github (acknowledgement, I've used the COBB descriptions and table names to keep it simple).

https://raw.github.com/TD-D/SubaruDefs/ ... itbase.xml

Wow.

td-d · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:26 am

Ok Lance, if it makes you happy, I'll change a couple of words here and there to pretend that it's different.

Much better.

td-d · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:36 am

Come to think of it, Dale - in the interest of not creating issues for Romraider, let me know if you want me to pull the descriptions. I don't have the time or patience to get into a pissing match with COBB about this, I'd much rather focus on the BRZ disassembly then - at least there I know I won't get jibes.

andya · **Joined:** Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:32 pm **Posts:** 274

td-d wrote:

Ok Lance, if it makes you happy, I'll change a couple of words here and there to pretend that it's different.

Much better.

All is well.... Just don't use the 'C' word unless you need to be single for a day or so :lol:

td-d · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:27 am

andya wrote:

All is well.... Just don't use the 'C' word unless you need to be single for a day or so :lol:

Chuckle... As a married man, I'm always careful about using the c word!

ukwrx · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:39 pm **Posts:** 87

td-d wrote:

ukwrx wrote:

Defs for ecu AZ1E400U please.

Code:

TGV_Switching_Delay_Open_to_CloseSecondary_Conditions        D3E10 
TGV_Switching_Delay_Open_to_Close                            D3E12 
TGV_Switching_Coolant_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below       D3E68 
TGV_Switching_Airflow_Thresholds_Close_Below_Open_Above      D3E6C 
TGV_Switching_Map_Ramping_Adder_Close_to_Open__              D3E78 
TGV_Switching_Map_Ramping_Adder_Open_to_Close                D3E7C 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_SSharp_Y_Axis D3EE4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_SSharp        D3F24 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_SSharp_Y_Axis D3F44 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_SSharp        D3F84 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_S_Y_Axis      D3FA4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_S             D3FE4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_S_Y_Axis      D4004 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_S             D4044 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_I_Y_Axis      D4064 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_I             D40A4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_I_Y_Axis      D40C4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_I             D4104 
TGV_Switching_Intake_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below_Y_Axis D4124 
TGV_Switching_Intake_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below        D4150 

Many thanks for these, but I was looking for the "MAP_Switch..." cruise/noncruise map switch defs I think these are different?

In fact to keep it simple I really just want to log which map is being used for this ecu.

Quote:

In AZ1G202G, the Ram variable being referenced above the cruise / non cruise tables was the switch. If you follow that back to the code, you will see that it is compared for status 0 or 1, and accordingly cruise or non cruise maps are chosen.

td-d · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:58 pm

These are the same - turns out they are TGV switching maps.

ukwrx · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:39 pm **Posts:** 87

td-d wrote:

I've added a Romraider template for these TGV Switching tables onto Github (acknowledgement, I've used the COBB descriptions and table names to keep it simple).

https://raw.github.com/TD-D/SubaruDefs/ ... itbase.xml

Theres an extra couple of tags

Code:

</rom>
</roms>

at the end of this file that might catch people out when adding in if not careful with copying.

ukwrx · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:39 pm **Posts:** 87

td-d wrote:

ukwrx wrote:

Defs for ecu AZ1E400U please.

Code:

TGV_Switching_Delay_Open_to_CloseSecondary_Conditions        D3E10 
TGV_Switching_Delay_Open_to_Close                            D3E12 
TGV_Switching_Coolant_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below       D3E68 
TGV_Switching_Airflow_Thresholds_Close_Below_Open_Above      D3E6C 
TGV_Switching_Map_Ramping_Adder_Close_to_Open__              D3E78 
TGV_Switching_Map_Ramping_Adder_Open_to_Close                D3E7C 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_SSharp_Y_Axis D3EE4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_SSharp        D3F24 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_SSharp_Y_Axis D3F44 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_SSharp        D3F84 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_S_Y_Axis      D3FA4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_S             D3FE4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_S_Y_Axis      D4004 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_S             D4044 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_I_Y_Axis      D4064 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_High_Open_Above_I             D40A4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_I_Y_Axis      D40C4 
TGV_Switching_Requested_Torque_Low_Close_Below_I             D4104 
TGV_Switching_Intake_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below_Y_Axis D4124 
TGV_Switching_Intake_Temperature_Threshold_Open_Below        D4150 

Do the attched table values look right for this ecu as they seem to be the wrong way round to me? I would expect the open table to have higher torque values in it compared to the close table. Otherwise wont the valves be opening and closing all the time? (ignoring the delays).

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