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 Post subject: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:39 am 
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Hello,

I am new to the forum but fairly deep into this now.

I accidentally flashed the wrong 24kb partial bin file to my MS41.1 ECU and it appears to be bricked. On key on, a relay was constantly clicking on and off.

I read through other posts and eventually desoldered the flash chip (28f200 - Intel). I also bought MS41 Quickflash. Unfortunately, I still cannot connect to the ECU to write the full tune back to it. Any ideas? I was flashing to and from the ECU fine before using the Siemens MS41 flash tool. Now I can't see the ECU with INPA or any other tool.

Should I be trying to program this flash chip directly on some sort of bench setup? Or what am I doing wrong. The pins are bridged as I would normally do when flashing the ECU.

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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 1:16 pm 
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You need to desolder and reflash chip or buy a new ecu.


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:55 pm 
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busterhax wrote:
You need to desolder and reflash chip or buy a new ecu.


Thanks. I desoldered, ordered a TL866, and PSOP44 adapter. Should I just flash my full tune file onto it? (256kb). Should I be changing any bits like CRC checking before I flash this on? Or is it enough to just flash the full proper file onto it, re-solder, then flash the partial when it is on the ECU?


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:57 pm 
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Just load up the stock 256 and flash it on then resolder


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:10 am 
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busterhax wrote:
Just load up the stock 256 and flash it on then resolder


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Thanks I will give that a go!


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:15 pm 
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busterhax wrote:
Just load up the stock 256 and flash it on then resolder


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When I go to flash the full file onto the flash chip - is it in Binary or Intel Hex format? Also are there any other settings here that I should be acutely aware of?


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:23 pm 
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kairaspo wrote:
busterhax wrote:
Just load up the stock 256 and flash it on then resolder


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When I go to flash the full file onto the flash chip - is it in Binary or Intel Hex format? Also are there any other settings here that I should be acutely aware of?
It’s binary hence the “.bin” file extension


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:21 am 
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busterhax wrote:
kairaspo wrote:
busterhax wrote:
Just load up the stock 256 and flash it on then resolder


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


When I go to flash the full file onto the flash chip - is it in Binary or Intel Hex format? Also are there any other settings here that I should be acutely aware of?
It’s binary hence the “.bin” file extension


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Thanks, waiting on a PSOP44 socket adapter then I will try this.


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:25 pm 
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I was able to successfully fix my flash chip, resolder, then read a partial out. I'm going to try out MS41.2 on this ECU and port my maps over from the MS41 I have tuned.

I was curious - I've been digging a bit on the OBD1 side. I have a TMS chip for a 1995 M3, but I can't seem to read it properly with the TL866. Have you tried this? The chip doesn't have markings so I am trying to guess the model.. seems like a 27SF256.


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:13 pm 
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kairaspo wrote:
I was able to successfully fix my flash chip, resolder, then read a partial out. I'm going to try out MS41.2 on this ECU and port my maps over from the MS41 I have tuned.

I was curious - I've been digging a bit on the OBD1 side. I have a TMS chip for a 1995 M3, but I can't seem to read it properly with the TL866. Have you tried this? The chip doesn't have markings so I am trying to guess the model.. seems like a 27SF256.


It'll be a 27SF512. If you're having problems reading it, untick the check ID option


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2022 6:50 pm 
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busterhax wrote:
You need to desolder and reflash chip or buy a new ecu.


Could you go into a bit more detail to this process as I have the same issue with the relay ticking but it was after flashing a factory .bin to the ECU.
Do I desolder the chip and try to flash the ECU through the OBD port or does the chip itself have to be flashed?
If it wasn't obvious I am a newbie that's still learning so any and all details that you can provide me would be super helpful!


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2022 6:51 pm 
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Slayed wrote:
busterhax wrote:
You need to desolder and reflash chip or buy a new ecu.


Could you go into a bit more detail to this process as I have the same issue with the relay ticking but it was after flashing a factory .bin to the ECU.
Do I desolder the chip and try to flash the ECU through the OBD port or does the chip itself have to be flashed?
If it wasn't obvious I am a newbie that's still learning so any and all details that you can provide me would be super helpful!
Despiser chip. Flash with eeprom burner. Resolver chip to ecu


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 3:33 am 
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busterhax wrote:
Slayed wrote:
busterhax wrote:
You need to desolder and reflash chip or buy a new ecu.


Could you go into a bit more detail to this process as I have the same issue with the relay ticking but it was after flashing a factory .bin to the ECU.
Do I desolder the chip and try to flash the ECU through the OBD port or does the chip itself have to be flashed?
If it wasn't obvious I am a newbie that's still learning so any and all details that you can provide me would be super helpful!
Despiser chip. Flash with eeprom burner. Resolver chip to ecu


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:36 am 
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kairaspo wrote:
busterhax wrote:
You need to desolder and reflash chip or buy a new ecu.


Thanks. I desoldered, ordered a TL866, and PSOP44 adapter. Should I just flash my full tune file onto it? (256kb). Should I be changing any bits like CRC checking before I flash this on? Or is it enough to just flash the full proper file onto it, re-solder, then flash the partial when it is on the ECU?
Do i just get any PSOP44 adapter for this?


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 Post subject: Re: Bricked MS41 - Help!
PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:21 pm 
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So i bought the tl866 and the psop44 but it does fit on the programmer? Im not sure i got the right one but here some photos.Image
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